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Did you ever have to deal with Sedevacantists?

Hello,

Yes, I do. As you know, “sede vacante” are the Latin words for “empty chair” and the phrase refers to a Catholic who believes the Pope’s office has been corrupted and that Rome is apostate, fallen away, void of authority, and “empty” of God’s seal of authority.

Thus, they refer to Pope Francis as “Jorge” without any titles, because they do not believe there is a true pope, but an empty chair.

At the heart of sedevacantism is a loss of faith, sort of like what a person goes through when they stop believing in God, or Jesus, or religion, but not quite that far—yet. This loss of faith, psychologically speaking, has a sense of deep hurt and betrayal which acts as mental and emotional cause.

In other words, if the sedevacantist simply “removes the pope” in their mind, and says “I do NOT believe there is a pope” then the hurt and suffering that comes from acknowledging the Pope are no longer there. There may still be anger and bitterness, but the person feels more “safe” because they are not as bothered by the Pope’s actions if, in their mind, he is gone, or removed from the picture.

Such people suffer other doubts in their faith, and some will eventually apostate altogether and discard the Catholic Church as a figment of imagination also. But while a person is sedevacantist, they simply invent a new kind of Catholicism in which the Church moves along without there being a valid pope. Some sedevacantists believe there is a faithful but very small remnant left of the true Church, and these receive Holy Orders and other sacraments from a dwindling and small group of “valid priests.”

Scripture in general, and the New Testament in particular, give an overwhelming body of evidence that God could not permit His Church to lose the papal office of the Pope. We see especially in the promises of Christ that the Church is promised, by Jesus Himself, an indefectible and invincible continuation of valid ministry and true shepherds, culminating with the clear words before the Ascension that “I am with you always, until the end of the ages.”

In order to re-imagine God as one who abandons the Catholic Church and allows the papal office to corrupt into heresy, the sedevacantists simply emphasize the angry, punishing, and vengeful God of certain passages of Scripture and certain writings of the saints.

The logic is thus: “usually, God would protect the office of the Pope by making sure that someone always occupies the Chair of Rome. But since God is so angry and millions deserve to be punished with divine wrath for laziness and error, God withdraws His truth and His grace from Rome and deprives the Church of its shepherd the Pope. If millions of people are misled and go to hell, that is too bad. They are getting what they deserve, even if that means that most of the world will burn in hell.”

Following this line of reason, the sedevacantists invent every type of reason and complicated scenario for describing when Rome lost the Faith and at what point the pope became corrupted and “un-poped” himself. Some envision Catholic doctrine like a computer programmer’s manual, where if you don’t follow exact computer code, you mess up the entire program or operating system. 

So, the sedevacantists reason, if the pope embraces even one teaching which they ascribe as “heretical” and a “betrayal of Tradition” then that authorizes them to do a declaration of “sede vacante.” It is kind of like a citizen’s arrest, where the citizens have the authority to arrest the chief of police and make themselves the police or simply declare that for the meantime, there is no police.

Like others who have left the Roman Catholic institution, they fight a lot among themselves in describing who was the last pope, and exactly what he did, or taught, to “un-pope” himself and lose the Chair of Peter. The only thing they can agree on is that at a certain point, there ceased to be a pope, and the guy being called pope is just an ordinary man who is playing dress up.

Before attempting to deal with the pseudo-theology and irrationality of the sedevacantists, one has to work through a lot of hurt and anger. At times, debates with them end in anger and bitterness which is directed at you for continuing to defend and follow the incumbent pope, who they call the “antipope” or false pope.

Or they go round and round in circular reasoning to justify a system of thought where the laity all of a sudden have power and authority to interpret the teachings and dogmas of Tradition, as if the magisterium of a group of laity could ever supplant the true Magisterium of those who can historically be proved to be bishops and Popes. Convoluted thinking is a psychological defense mechanism that helps a person, in this case a sedevacantist, remain in denial.

The argument against sedevacantism in Catholicism is an extremely simple syllogism:

A. In the Roman Catholic religion, all Catholic laity, of whatever learning, are automatically disqualified from giving an authoritative meaning to a Catholic dogma, even if they can quote all the Church Councils and saints.

B. In order to give an authoritative meaning to Catholic dogma, one must be a Pope, or a bishop who is transmitting the Pope’s meaning. No one can disqualify a previous Pope’s interpretation of dogma and declare that a previous pope was false, except another Pope.

C. Therefore, any and all attempts to judge the Chair of Rome and remove the pope from his office on the charge of heresy or betrayal of the Apostolic Tradition, no matter how clear and plain the argumentation is given, is automatically rendered invalid, null, and void.

The corollary of “C” is that since all popes, while in office, have judged themselves to be teaching the true Catholic Faith, the Chair of Rome has never suffered “sede vacante.”

The only causes of “sede vacante” in recent history have come from 1) death of the pope and 2) resignation of the pope. These brief periods were followed by conclaves that legally and canonically elected new, valid popoes. Any other alleged or purported sede vacante periods are the result of bishops, priests, or laity making this declaration invalidly, a priori. 

One of the most ancient phrases that floats in Roman Catholicism is “Prima Sedes a nemine judicatur” or “The First See is judged by NO ONE.” 

God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Hi, I was wondering about the churches view on ghosts? From what I understand we believe they exist since they are basically souls, then I saw some sources that said an explanation might be they are souls that live in either hell, purgatory, or heaven that appear on earth. Any info would be much appreciated.

Hello, 

Hope this is helpful:

http://fatherangel.tumblr.com/search/ghosts

God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Father, is it frowned upon to wear a rosary out in public? Like a gold one that is like a necklace?

Hello,

I don’t think there is a Catholic law which forbids wearing the rosary around the neck.

However, many priests, me included, see this as inappropriate because it turns the rosary into an adornment, which it is not supposed to be. God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Hello, sorry if you already answered this but what is involved in order to have a catholic wedding? And what does the marriage prep usually look like?

Hello,

Marriage preparation is different in every Catholic parish.

Usually, a parish asks you to meet with a priest, deacon, or parish coordinator before you go and make other arrangements.

They will ask for the following documents: baptism certificate, first Communion certificate, and confirmation certificate. They will also ask you to undergo preparation—such as “pre-Cana talks, or Engage Encounter retreat, or a series of classes, or various appointments with the priest or wedding coordinator. 

Then, they will usually set the wedding date and give you instructions to follow for the ceremony, music, decorating, planning the wedding practice, and the suggested offering to the parish. The parish may also ask you to undergo an evaluation/test like the FOCUS exam, and attend workshops on Natural Family Planning. The final requirement is to make sure that you get a civil license for marriage (in the USA) or be civilly married right before the church wedding ceremony.

In the initial meeting with the priest, it is important to let him know what you would like. A couple who has a “fancy” wedding will require more attention for details than a couple that wants to have a very simple ceremony. So, it is important to have that initial meeting and not take my word for what will happen, because each priest and each church community will tailor their requests according to your personal needs, and no two parishes are exactly the same. God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Hello Father! Can you tell me the difference between the Catechism and the Compendium of the Catechism? And which would be more useful for personal use/study? And, just out of curiosity, are Catholic children still made to memorise the Penny Catechism (Who made me? God made me), like they were when my dad was young, in the 60's?

Hi,

I can not say whether the Catechism or Compendium would be more helpful for you personally. The Catechism is the “official” version of the Church and the Compendium is more of a concise study. I personally prefer a concise study of things, but there are others who feel that makes them miss out on something.

And no, the “Penny Catechism” is no longer required study for Catholic children. Now, there are many different study guides and books which are used to prepare young people to know the Catholic Faith and receive the sacraments. God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Hello, what must I do in order to take communion? I am a young adult and was baptized a Catholic as an infant. I have never had any other sacraments. How would I go about receiving first communion and confirmation? Would most Priests need me to take religious education classes?

Hi,

It’s not that priest would need you to take classes. Rather, the local priest at your Church would want to help you feel prepared in an overall sense, of being part of a church family, learning the customs and traditions of the Church, and growing in the knowledge of right doctrine. So, yes, please do speak to the local priest to ask about getting into a faith formation program that will move you toward the goal of full sacramental life in the Church. Best wishes and prayers! God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Hi! I wear a mantilla whenever I am in mass, the church, or a chapel. I was wondering if it's acceptable to wear it out of church as well, like in public?

Hello,

In my personal opinion, it is beautiful for a woman at prayer in church to have a veil or mantilla, as an expression and witness of God giving her the unique gift and mystery of femininity. However, outside of church I don’t think that witness would mean much, as most people might think she is doing something weird or trying to start a new fashion. God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Hi, I am wondering what the Church's stance is on oral sex before marriage?

Hello,

Whether it is before or after marriage, Catholic moral teachers have said that having sexual climax in a way or position that is not able to be open to procreation is an act that goes against nature. Here is a quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

CCC 2366 Fecundity is a gift, an end of marriage, for conjugal love naturally tends to be fruitful. A child does not come from outside as something added on to the mutual love of the spouses, but springs from the very heart of that mutual giving, as its fruit and fulfillment. So the Church, which is “on the side of life,” teaches that “it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life.” “This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act.

God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Searching your tags for the topic of physicians assisted suicide, in relation to the story of the woman in Oregon who plans to kill herself. I'm sure I've seen you talk about this subject before? Can you point me to the post?

Hello,

After 5,000 posts, I am really not very good at researching my blog for specific posts when the tags don’t work in the search bar. What some people have done with success is use a search engine like google and typed, for example, “gospel of life, fatherangel.tumblr” or some phrase and by doing this, have located a post they were searching for, that didn’t come up before when they used the search bar.

I haven’t put together any specific thoughts about the woman in Oregon, except to pray for her. God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Blessed Pope Paul VI, intercede for Holy Church and obtain for us the grace of constant reform and renewal. You who were an apostle to the poor and oppressed, pray for us!

Blessed Pope Paul VI, intercede for Holy Church and obtain for us the grace of constant reform and renewal. You who were an apostle to the poor and oppressed, pray for us!

allied-radio-operator:

fatherangel:

meakfreek:

Um, excuse you. No. We ask our mother to pray with us, we don’t worship her. Get your facts straight before you call us pagans, please. You have no idea how much of a day-ruiner that is.

I approach these jokes against the Catholic Church with humor:
First of all, it’s fun to worship statues. In the case of Fatima, when you put statues of the shepherd kids in front of the statue of Mary, then you have statues worshipping statues. It’s like double paganism! haha
Also, only the Catholic Church has body parts everywhere. We LOVE dead people: skulls, femurs, hands, and all the cloths worn by dead people. Dead people are not just for Halloween! Oh yeah!
Don’t forget the Inquisition. Only the Catholic Church can write books called “100 Ways to Roast a Protestant” or “How to Dismember Heretics” or “Getting Drunk While Baptists Watch” or “How to Footloose Dance While Protties Hold a Book Burning.”
And no one plays dress up like Catholics do. Those poor Protestants could NOT play dress up and church fashion show if they tried. Have you seen how the Pilgrims and Amish dress? It’s like they’re having a costume party without even trying. Catholics put on gold and brocade, silk trains and tassels and silver-buckled shoes. With Catholic pomp and majesty, it’s like we’re still in the court of Louis XIV. The party don’t start till the Catholics teach the Protties something about FASHION.
Don’t get me started on Catholic furniture. We have more velvet on Catholic furniture than all of Tijuana, Mexico LOL! And the gilt furniture, hand carved mahogany thrones for bishops, marble altars and churrigueresque reredos behind the altars. Let Prottie Christians build mega-churches that look like glorified Wal-Marts. Leave the artistic tastes to the Catholics, thank you very much!
Finally, have you seen how awesome the Catholics can “do” bling? Look at that gold statue above of Mary and baby Jesus. God gave us gold, silver, and bling so that Catholics would show the world how to show it off! A hip-hop mogul has nothing on a medieval cardinal, with rubies on his shoes, diamond on his rings, emerald on his pectoral cross, and pearls in his miter. 
Protestant Christians show up in those pressed suits, floppy Bibles and shiny shoes. Please! No wonder they get called yahoos. How ghetto can you get? Medieval is the way to go! Do you see Hollywood pushing Prottie culture? What culture, excuse me? Hollywood likes to show off the glory and majesty of the Catholic Church cause that’s where the beauty is. 
Call me a pagan Catholic, or look down on me as a Catholic pagan, y’all holy “Bible-believing” Christians. I’ll follow Jesus with class, culture, dance, art, and beauty, and you can just yahoo your way to heaven.

 ”Only the Catholic Church has body parts everywhere. We LOVE dead people: skulls, femurs, hands, and all the cloths worn by dead people”.
This is a Catholic Chapel 




What we do to our saints and martyrs 




Don’t mind me, enjoy the hymns
"And no one plays dress up like Catholics do. Those poor Protestants could NOT play dress up and church fashion show if they tried"
Pope Francis seen here being one step ahead of the fashion curve.

Pope John Paul II walking through war torn Europe like a boss

cardinal dress in retro stye

Mitres




Let not forget the Papal Tiara that Protestants like to obsess about. 


" Let Prottie Christians build mega-churches that look like glorified Wal-Marts. Leave the artistic tastes to the Catholics, thank you very much!"



Glorious Catholic master architecture.

 Protestant mega church…or local D.M.V

Meh.
"Finally, have you seen how awesome the Catholics can “do” bling? Look at that gold statue above of Mary and baby Jesus. God gave us gold, silver, and bling so that Catholics would show the world how to show it off!"







Don’t forget the stain glass windows
 I think that it for tonight , I going to bed.


I’ve never had one of my posts so “illustrated” before. Thank you allied-radio-operator.

allied-radio-operator:

fatherangel:

meakfreek:

Um, excuse you. No. We ask our mother to pray with us, we don’t worship her. Get your facts straight before you call us pagans, please. You have no idea how much of a day-ruiner that is.

I approach these jokes against the Catholic Church with humor:

First of all, it’s fun to worship statues. In the case of Fatima, when you put statues of the shepherd kids in front of the statue of Mary, then you have statues worshipping statues. It’s like double paganism! haha

Also, only the Catholic Church has body parts everywhere. We LOVE dead people: skulls, femurs, hands, and all the cloths worn by dead people. Dead people are not just for Halloween! Oh yeah!

Don’t forget the Inquisition. Only the Catholic Church can write books called “100 Ways to Roast a Protestant” or “How to Dismember Heretics” or “Getting Drunk While Baptists Watch” or “How to Footloose Dance While Protties Hold a Book Burning.”

And no one plays dress up like Catholics do. Those poor Protestants could NOT play dress up and church fashion show if they tried. Have you seen how the Pilgrims and Amish dress? It’s like they’re having a costume party without even trying. Catholics put on gold and brocade, silk trains and tassels and silver-buckled shoes. With Catholic pomp and majesty, it’s like we’re still in the court of Louis XIV. The party don’t start till the Catholics teach the Protties something about FASHION.

Don’t get me started on Catholic furniture. We have more velvet on Catholic furniture than all of Tijuana, Mexico LOL! And the gilt furniture, hand carved mahogany thrones for bishops, marble altars and churrigueresque reredos behind the altars. Let Prottie Christians build mega-churches that look like glorified Wal-Marts. Leave the artistic tastes to the Catholics, thank you very much!

Finally, have you seen how awesome the Catholics can “do” bling? Look at that gold statue above of Mary and baby Jesus. God gave us gold, silver, and bling so that Catholics would show the world how to show it off! A hip-hop mogul has nothing on a medieval cardinal, with rubies on his shoes, diamond on his rings, emerald on his pectoral cross, and pearls in his miter.

Protestant Christians show up in those pressed suits, floppy Bibles and shiny shoes. Please! No wonder they get called yahoos. How ghetto can you get? Medieval is the way to go! Do you see Hollywood pushing Prottie culture? What culture, excuse me? Hollywood likes to show off the glory and majesty of the Catholic Church cause that’s where the beauty is. 

Call me a pagan Catholic, or look down on me as a Catholic pagan, y’all holy “Bible-believing” Christians. I’ll follow Jesus with class, culture, dance, art, and beauty, and you can just yahoo your way to heaven.

 ”Only the Catholic Church has body parts everywhere. We LOVE dead people: skulls, femurs, hands, and all the cloths worn by dead people”.

This is a Catholic Chapel 

Sedlec Ossuary chapel

What we do to our saints and martyrs 

Don’t mind me, enjoy the hymns

"And no one plays dress up like Catholics do. Those poor Protestants could NOT play dress up and church fashion show if they tried"

Pope Francis seen here being one step ahead of the fashion curve.

Pope John Paul II walking through war torn Europe like a boss

cardinal dress in retro stye

Mitres

Let not forget the Papal Tiara that Protestants like to obsess about. 

" Let Prottie Christians build mega-churches that look like glorified Wal-Marts. Leave the artistic tastes to the Catholics, thank you very much!"

Glorious Catholic master architecture.

 Protestant mega church…or local D.M.V

Meh.

"Finally, have you seen how awesome the Catholics can “do” bling? Look at that gold statue above of Mary and baby Jesus. God gave us gold, silver, and bling so that Catholics would show the world how to show it off!"

Don’t forget the stain glass windows

 I think that it for tonight , I going to bed.

I’ve never had one of my posts so “illustrated” before. Thank you allied-radio-operator.

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The Credo of the People of God | Vultus Christi

A beautiful tribute to blessed Paul VI from someone who remembers how hard he worked to hold the Church together.

hello father! I hope all is well :) I was wondering what it meant to "see God in all things" and how would one go about such a task?

Hello,

That is a pretty broad question. May I refer you to an article? This was written by Bishop Ed Slattery before he became a bishop. He addresses the issue of trying to see God in all things.

http://www.cuf.org/2002/11/seeing-god-in-all-things/

I hope it is helpful to answer your search on this topic. God bless and take care, Fr. Angel